I have gotten a lot of comments lately, most really interesting. Thank you so much for your support and feedback. I just wanted to clarify one point, E is not interested in child free life. He did mention that at one point and has said that if he himself were infertile he would chose child free. However, now given the set of circumstances that we find ourselves in, E is saying that he wants children (albeit in a very specific way- with both parents being biological). Since he is not infertile (we think, at least based on every test we have run to date) he has that choice. He is also saying that he does not think our relationship makes sense child free. I think we need to explore that a bit more fully, but at the moment that is what I know.
I have gotten a few comments about who loves who more (me or E) and who is leaving who –My thoughts on this are interesting. Sometimes I want to be left, maybe because if that happens I get to try on the victim role for a while and can blame someone else or rightfully carry around a pool full of anger. Other times I want to do the leaving, hating the feeling of powerlessness that goes along with being acted on rather doing the action yourself. But in the end, maybe that part does not really matter. We would be leaving each other, there are parts of this that are mutual, we both share responsibility/ play a part in this. I know that. I am not blameless- I am not sure it makes sense to play that blame game anyway. (Please note, that when I say I am not blameless I do not mean about my IF. That is not my fault. It just is something that happened in my body, by age 31 I could not have kids. Nobody could have ever predicted that. I am referred more to the crumbling of my marriage, there are two us of in that dance, I am not innocent).
I wanted to tell you that I have changed my settings to not allow anonymous comments. I hesitate in doing so and may change my mind given that some of the most meaningful comments I have recently received where from anonymous posters. But, over the years that this blog has been running, anonymous posters have said some mean things- much meaner than some of the comments left recently (I have received anit Semitic comments, been told I am a sinner for my choice of a D&E, been told I am ready to be a mother)- and I think I just wanted off that crazy ride.
I hope you all continue to follow along and I welcome your opinions, even ones that are unpopular or are divergent from my own. I hope that makes sense and that I did not offend anyone. I just think sometimes we need to think before we 'speak' and/or make sure we understand that which we are commenting on.
Interestingly, I just met with a patient of mine. One of the things I told him is that life is more complicated than any of us would like to admit. I think that if we had to face just how complex it really is on a daily basis, we would all probably have crippling amounts of anxiety. To me, it seems that we all want to live in a world where there is black and white, right and wrong- that would certainly make our lives so much easier. Learning how to navigate in this gray-ness has made me a smarter, more compassionate, more adaptable person. Maybe my kid is lucky that they will come into my life after all of this has already happened, I will have a lot of really important life lessons to teach


I'm so sorry that you are going through all of this. It is always extremely sad to see a marriage ending and I wish that E would change his mind, but we can't control how other people feel. As for the comments, I think you're doing the right thing. People often are too quick to judge by their own set of values, and the reality is that sometimes we don't know what we would have done ourselves until we're in that situation. Just wanted to send you hugs and tell you that there are many of us out here that just want to support you through this difficult time. Hugs!!!
ReplyDeleteI don't think people really understand the pressures of infertility. Parenthood is something that people take for granted. If you want to be parents, you don't use birth control and presto; pregnant. If you don't want to be pregnant, you do use birth control and nothing ever goes wrong.
ReplyDeleteI also think, as you mentioned, people want to believe in the Just World Fallacy; that people get what the deserve. If you got laid off, it was because you were deficient in some way. If you are infertile, it's because you aren't ready for parenting, or you aren't worthy of parenting, etc. People like to believe this, because then they don't have to realize that they are lucky (rather than deserving) to have a job or a child, or whatever.
I know that in my own life, dealing with our infertility, I offered to give my husband a divorce (we have unexplained infertility, meaning that the bits and bobs all seem to work and yet nothing happens) so that he could find himself a functioning woman; and I meant it. I felt I was holding him back from being the father he could be; whether it was my fault or not. I am hoping for the best possible resolution for you and the selfish part of me that wants to believe love triumphs over everything (see, I have my own fallacies) wants to see you succeed as a couple beyond your wildest imaginings, but know that life doesn't always work out like that and sometimes even minimizing the damage is a victory.
I haven't commented much, but I've been reading along. I just wanted to say that from my perspective you have been unbelievably tempered and mature as you work through this process. I'm sure there have been moments away from the blog world where you haven't been. But, again from my perspective, it seems like you are truly thinking about all options and making the only decisions you are able to. You're just dealing with what life is giving you, and at this moment in time it happens to be shitty.
ReplyDeleteIt's hard to believe that people can be so mean as to strike out when someone is just trying to honestly make it through life. Unfortunately, it happens too often. Just keep doing the best you can. I am so hopeful for peace for you as you continue to work toward resolution.
I am so glad you are finding some positives in this truly awful situation. They say what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, and that's clearly happening in your case. I hope everyone who comments treats you with the respect and compassion you deserve. I am really rooting for you, and I hope things start looking up soon. Thinking of you...
ReplyDeleteI never have anything wise to say (even though A left me because he too wants his own biological children which I couldn't give him). But I am always here, and always hoping for the very best for you.
ReplyDeleteSame, again, no wise words but reading along and despite knowing what I know of human nature, still cannot believe some of the comments you report receiving.
ReplyDeleteJust sounds like SUCH a difficult situation, neither of you want to be child free, both of you, ideally, would have a bio child, but no agreement/compromise on a middle ground (have I got that right?)
Just chucking this in as food for thought, you might have already covered this, but if it were revealed that E was carrying an infertility condition of some sort, do you think it would change how he approaches the child/no child conundrum.
as always, love and support to you both
Sending you hugs my friend....
ReplyDeleteThis..."Maybe my kid is lucky that they will come into my life after all of this has already happened, I will have a lot of really important life lessons to teach"
ReplyDeleteMy love & support to you always.
Rae
I wish you the best. I always do. I wish E could see and understand that just because it's not your DNA doesn't make it not your child. I wish I could tell him that I chose the path to use someone else's DNA so A & I could have a family that although I wasn't ok with it in the beginning I became ok with because at the end of the day all I wanted was to love A forever and to have a family. My heart hurts for you. I know you're a big girl and you'll be able to put your big girl pants on no matter what but I wish too it was black and white and that he could just see that you'd get the pick of the litter - the healthies eggs & a family with a women I know will be an excellent mother!
ReplyDeleteAs always, I applaud your honesty and bravery in this blog and in your quest to be a mom. Also, if you feel enough is enough and you want to surround yourself with only positive, supportive people then I totally support blocking negative anonymous comments. One of my life's mottos that I say on a daily basis is, "What do I need to do right now to stay sane?" If that helps, then rock on sister. As always, sending you my very best... this sh*t is NOT easy.
ReplyDeleteOk I'm really pissed off and at whatever evil person said you were a sinner! WHAT?! Ugh. Anyways...thinking of you often xo
ReplyDeleteI wish there was an easy solution for you and E - but unfortunately you both seem to be treading water in the dark right now.
ReplyDeleteI commend you for staying honest and true to yourself while trying to navigate all these extra complications that have been thrust into your life because of IF.
You are unbelievable. In the face of all of this heartbreak, you are so unbelievably strong. I hate that this is where you are, and hope that things get easier.
ReplyDeleteI too hate that this is your reality. It bites and it just isn't fair. I think disabling anon comments is the way to go. I had to moderate mine due to adoption haters.
ReplyDeleteHugs to you.
I know that personally, I try to support without judgement, but the magnitude of what you're dealing with makes me lose it sometimes. I just want E to change his MIND, so you can have it all, and sometimes that's all I can think about, not the complex nuances of the situation.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, your child will be lucky whenever and however he or she comes into your life because you are going to be an *incredible* mother. And for E to give up having *you* be the mother of his children is just mind-boggling. I truly believe he will live to regret that.
ReplyDeleteI can't believe people would leave comments like that. Just disgusting.
Oh C, I so wish this could be easier. I hope like hell that this is the very darkest it gets for you and the sunshine starts coming through soon.
Yes to this: "Learning how to navigate in this gray-ness has made me a smarter, more compassionate, more adaptable person." That's very well said. And life is so much more gray than b&w, no matter how some drive-by commenters want to see it.
ReplyDeleteYou're going to be a brilliant mom, C. For that and for so many other reasons.
I completely agree with Secret Sloper. You're going to be a great mom, and E is foolish to risk losing you for the sake of some possible other future he thinks is more acceptable. You're amazing, and I know you'll come out ok on the other side of this, whatever that looks like. xoxo
ReplyDeleteStill unable to swallow E's refusal to use donor eggs... Everything else I can understand, even if I don share his opinion. People have the desire to have biological kids, and males commonly are unhappy about adoption. DE seems the perfect solution, he'd still be a bio Dad and he'd still have you. Why he's willing to lose you in search for good eggs is non-sensical. He married you, not your ovaries.
ReplyDeleteI've been trying to formulate an okay comment, but they all just end up coming out as an attack on your husband, which I don't think is very helpful.
ReplyDeleteYou are an amazing, brave woman. You will make an amazing mother, however you get there and I'm so sorry you're dealing with such a complex and painful situation. Sending you huge hugs and lots of thoughts your way.
Hi C, I just wanted to know that I referenced you in my latest blog post.
ReplyDeleteYour strength is such an inspiration. Thinking of you.
http://infertileinafertileland.blogspot.com/
I am constantly thinking of you and wishing I could give you a real life hug. I think you are an amazingly strong woman.
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